<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573</id><updated>2009-11-09T15:43:17.322-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Thoughts from the Axys</title><subtitle type='html'>Spirare Intellegere: 
          Deus curat flores</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-9158966835146067240</id><published>2008-06-28T00:28:00.003-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-05T00:22:26.001-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Hope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Life'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Muhammad'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wall E'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>21st Century Gospel</title><content type='html'>&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;This is an edit of a post I made the day after watching Wall-E. I redacted it a few months later and am re-posting it now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you haven't already done so, stop reading this, stop doing whatever you are doing go out and buy Wall-E; it may be the most spiritual event of your life. That having been said it should go with no surprise that here forthwith may contain spoilers so if you have not seen the movie stop reading now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't cry to often. It usual comes in random times and it is usually due to some feeling of inadequacy or despondence. I NEVER cry at movies. Maybe it is because  I'm a guy or maybe I'm generally hard hearted. Wall E Made me cry. It was not just due to the expected but no-less-wonderful climax when all hope seems lost for earth's little savior and all it takes is the force of love to bring back that spark and curiosity into his eye. It wasn't just the "love conquers all" theme so clearly illuminated in the picture painted at that moment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story of Wall E, more so than any I have experienced in a long long while (if ever) belongs in a strata above most others yet is similar to all great stories at the very core. It short of human interaction for me it takes stories to remind me of  express God's will for all of creation. Pixar and the Disney corporation has succumb the mountain of mediocrity and for my being created a 21st century Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story represents creation's interconnectedness and co-reliance upon its inhabitants. Despite what the last 100 years has been like, what we are learning is that we as a unite of life are dependent. The people in Wall E represent the wrong path having gone been down. Then from the base comes a little Disposal Technician--Wall E. Jesus, Buddah, Moses, Mohmmad, call them what you want are  represented in Wall E. What they mean to their movements is what Wall E means to the people in his movement. They are all prophets of life. Take away all the nomenclature each milieu gives the individuals, and you get one thing. A person pointing towards life and encouraging others to look in the same direction and do something about what they see.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me the story represents hope for the future. No matter how horrible, chaotic, and distant life may get it is possible to return and ironically to find myself somewhere new. But it is up to us. The over-sized humans on that ship were given a second chance, a new beginning in their return from exile. They get a chance to join in recreating earth. That is the Logos, and that is Life. YHWH. Breath, wind, air, freshness, newness. It is really very difficult to put into words how much I inaudibly interacted with that movie. It was like there was a connection between my irrational self and the piece of canvas 15'x20 approximatley 30 feet away. I was overcome by a sense of hope and yet all I wanted to do was be bymyself and experience life with a free mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please  give some thought to the themes purposely or not so purposely, presented in the film. I believe stories can change ones' life. The story of Jesus has been touching lives for two-thousand years, not because of their historical accuracy but because of the level in which we can sympathize, relate, and appreciate the stories. It is those factors that give it meaning. An appreciation and understanding that goes beyond the historical and emerges into the ubiquitous flow of mankind's story. The story of Moses and the Israelites is older and in every way is our story. As blasphemous as it sounds I really feel this story is in line with those stories. Not replacing them, or superfluous to them, but as a peer with them. I don't think it is too horrible of me to say this since to limit the communicative abilities and relational desire of the Life cannot and will not be constrained to one medium location, time, or people group. Joining in the reintroduction to Life is the job of creation, and this film presents this idea beautifully. Wall E inspires us to be  interactive with this process, and not be passive in it. We are part of it in one way or another and Wall E shows us the best way is to be a part of it completely and with no reservations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-9158966835146067240?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/9158966835146067240/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=9158966835146067240' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/9158966835146067240'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/9158966835146067240'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2008/06/21st-century-gospel.html' title='21st Century Gospel'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-1373576142458455475</id><published>2008-05-02T00:16:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-02T00:37:09.510-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Business 101: screwing the customer (Act I)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;big&gt;       Everyone hates school at some point (or all the time) in their life. Whether it be due to the drain caused by grinding away at assignment after assignment, a grand amount of time researching diligently (or major stress over a short amount of time researching) for a paper, or a stress filled few days of studying for tests. Sometimes though, one can hate school because of those whom are paid to teach  the students. Those whose job it is, and who get paid by the student to generate an education.  Some maybe most of these professors do not do their job well. There are some though who try their best and hardest to do as little for the student as possible.&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;       I know a girl who has run into such-a-one. &lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;       She is an accounting major and is in a managerial economics class (req course) this quarter. An economics class which her professor seems to be trying his hardest to not actually put much effort into teaching. I reveal this because it he apparently has choosen to use an internet program called &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/www.aplia.com"&gt;Aplia&lt;/a&gt; for their homework. Students receive homework from the program, as well as obtain scores from on the accuracy of the homework returned to the program. The professor's interaction with the program is slim to nill. The most interaction he has with their homework is in the form of receiving scores so he can painstakingly record them in the grading book for their class. Seeing as how the homework is worth 15% in this class one cannot flatly ignore it and hope to do well in the class. And oh wait--did I mention this program costs the student $35.00? Money out of their own pocket. Good beer money! This fee is on top of tuition and the rest of the obligatory fees that go along with it. Now I know what some of your are going to say. There are fees on top of tuition for art and science classes as well. This I know and I feel for your. But these are fees with precedent as well as far more necessary than in an economics class. Having to pay for supplies for art and science go back as far as the Middle Ages). But this is economics people! Bloody freaking economics. Its the psychology of the market thats freaking it. This professor is apparently so obtuse and hard hearted about doing actual work at his job, that he is not willing to to make up and correct homework himself. Other professors in other departments seem toget along organizing and grading homework for their classes. And believe me I really doubt the amount of grading that would have to go on for him exceeds at all that which those who teach English and History courses have to endure. One more thing. A bit more trivial but interesting nonetheless. The homework assigned by Aplia has no direct connection to what is tested on. What is tested on is the information provided in the book assigned for the class which is a heafty expense in itself. Anyway--I digress nor That is not the reason for this blog. The reason for the blog is the following:&lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;       &lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;       The homework program had a certain amount of time one could try it out before one had to pay in order to use it. This time expired as of last sunday (April 26, 2008). This girl forgot to do her homework (which was also due that day) at her own faul, as well as forgetting to pay the fee. I am not aware of when she paid I only know she has at this point. the email I am about to describe may have been the reminder, or she may have done it inbetween the expiration date of her trial time and the email. That having been said it is the email that I am so enfuriated about and is the main point of contention. In an email Wednesday morning (April 29, 2008) her professor &lt;i&gt;kindly&lt;/i&gt; informed her of her obligation to pay for the Aplia program.  &lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;He said, "No one gets a free lunch. You have to pay aplia 35 dollars. asap." &lt;/big&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;big&gt;       No salutation, no ending address, just those simple fourteen words. He seems to have taken his consideratness and tact lessons from our illustrious commander and chief. I have informed my friend she should forward the message along with her thoughts on the matter to the provost/vice president of the university. Upon that the possible failure for that to generate an appropriate response she she should forward it to the appropriate media organizations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are your thoughts on this? What do you think she should do? Do you feel the program is an appropriate use of money? Do you think it is a poor refection on anyone involved and who? (For the record, her complaints about the program to the chair went unheeded) If there is more information  anyone would like before input is given I will be happy to oblige. I don't want to divulge the names quite yet (if at all), but I will keep those who (if any) read this up to date.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, and about the title. If you haven't guessed why this blog is entitled the way it is I will spell it out. In response to hearing this story himself my father  eloquently pointed out that it  seems the one thing my friend is quite plainly being taught is how to screw the customer because this particular professor employed by this particular college at this particular university is doing just that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm sure there is a lesson here. There must be a way in which I can see &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Deus curans ob flores&lt;/span&gt;. Perhaps that shall be Act II.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-1373576142458455475?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/1373576142458455475/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=1373576142458455475' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/1373576142458455475'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/1373576142458455475'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2008/05/business-101-screwing-customer.html' title='Business 101: screwing the customer (Act I)'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-1620963838171099168</id><published>2007-04-28T12:44:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-16T18:22:57.806-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Historical Jesus VS revelation in other cultures</title><content type='html'>This is not the epic post I promised Ben. That post is still in the works, this is a preface to and an email I sent with some minor additions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Preface:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I cannot believe that God is only revealed to those in the 'far reaches' of the earth through our meddling. Often revelation does come through crooked sticks, but I would like to think God would find more meaningful and culturally appropriate ways of being revealed. I purchased a book for a book group I was briefly in. It is called &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Meaning of Jesus&lt;/span&gt;  by Marcus J. Borg and N.T. Wright. Both are 'Jesus Scholars' and wrote the book as a kind of point counter point work. Anyway, I wrote professor Borg who just this winter retired from Oregon State University about some ideas and "wrestling’s" I've been having. Here is the..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Email:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear Professor Borg,&lt;br /&gt;    Hi my name is Tommy Ball and I am a student at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Washington. I am getting my undergraduate degree in Medieval Studies as a Student Faculty designed major, and hopefully History as well. I just picked up your, and professor Wright's book The Meaning of Jesus and have read only some of it, but from what I have read I am very surprised because many things I have read in the book are things I have thought about.&lt;br /&gt;   I feel like I have started to go through the process you went through in noticing how the modern worldview can polarize the Jesus and really most events, and concepts in the Bible. I have been lately very much influenced by Michale Frost: founding Director of Centre for Evangelism &amp;amp; Global Mission at Morling Theological College in Sydney; and Rob Bell the teaching pastor at Mars Hill in Grand Rapids Michigan. My dissatisfaction with the church began with the way in which it presented itself, but now it has since morphed into the kids of issues you raise in your book in seeing the Jesus presented as two different ideas. At one point I was almost prepared to throw out the requirement for there to be a historical Jesus completely, and am still not convinced there is a need in regards to the heart of the gospel. I say this because the little I know about how much obvious Jewish culture went into the gospels I feel is quite lost on those that teach pastors how to be pastors. I could be wrong, and maybe you know this better than I. I'm not certain much understanding of the Jewish culture in which the gospels and other books of the New Testament is conveyed at Seminaries. I see this as a problem.&lt;br /&gt;   Knowing the small bit of undergraduate level information I know about the time immediately preceding the early church and late antiquity I see the immediate danger that comes in not understanding the culture that exists around a specific text when one wants to understand said text. I also feel that many strange ideas that the Roman Catholic Church gets may well be a result of that as well as folk traditions that morph and graft themselves to the Christian tradition. I wonder if possibly later generations took the text they depended on, and interpreted it as if it were having been written in their context, and that this was the way in which they contextualized it for themselves thus making strange ideas make sense. I worry this happens today. I also worry that we take the concepts and images given to us by the Medieval church as the accurate ones--blindly and thus miss a cornucopia of wonderful ideas and concepts that could be presented by the gospel writers.&lt;br /&gt;    As I said earlier I haven't finished the book so my apologies if my question is later answered in the book. Do we need the historical Jesus? I think of this with a rudimentary idea of what Paul says in the beginning of Romans when he says that God has made himself known through his creation. Does not making knowing the historical Jesus for any kind of deeper connection with God limit God? Maybe my question walks too close to the edge away from Jesus and closer to the silly question of evil, but I think it is important to question how God might be revealed in other cultures, and the possibility that that revelation may not be through a white missionary with a Gideon Bible.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-1620963838171099168?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/1620963838171099168/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=1620963838171099168' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/1620963838171099168'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/1620963838171099168'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2007/04/historical-jesus-vs-revelation-in-other_28.html' title='Historical Jesus VS revelation in other cultures'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-7667459850968818670</id><published>2007-03-13T23:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-03-13T23:14:29.696-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Translating the Gospel, By Mike Frost</title><content type='html'>Here is the link to an article by Mike Frost called Translating the Gospel. It is about contextualizing the Bible to where people are preaching it, and its importance. It unfortunately only gives examples at the end as to how it was done IN the Bible as opposed to how to do it today. I suspect if you were to buy the book mentioned in the article you would be given some ideas. For now I'm only posting the link, and have sought permission to post the article itself and am waiting for a reply. Enjoy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.cegm.org.au/resources/translating%20the%20gospel.htm&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-7667459850968818670?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/7667459850968818670/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=7667459850968818670' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/7667459850968818670'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/7667459850968818670'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2007/03/translating-gospel-by-mike-frost.html' title='Translating the Gospel, By Mike Frost'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-229418939807539705</id><published>2007-03-13T22:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-03-13T22:48:26.096-07:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://anon.npr-mp3.speedera.net/anon.npr-mp3/specials/20070214_specials_iq2radio.mp3" target="_blank"&gt;  &lt;/a&gt;          &lt;div class="spacer"&gt;    &lt;a href="http://anon.npr-mp3.speedera.net/anon.npr-mp3/specials/20070214_specials_iq2radio.mp3" target="_blank"&gt;    &lt;/a&gt;This is a debate in New York as to whether or not America is too damn religious. If you have an hour an a half to kill, and a computer with you, listen to the whole thing, or you can download the mp3 edited version which is significantly shorter.&lt;br /&gt;Enjoy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7422542&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;&lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;&lt;span class="rightsnotice"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;   &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;   &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Hear the Full Debate&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_iq2religion','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Listen to the Unedited Debate (1 hour, 34 minutes)&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;  &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7243319" class="iconlink related"&gt;Read Bios of the IQ2 Debate Panel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;    &lt;!-- end of inset column div --&gt;                   &lt;!-- end inset column / start center column --&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="program"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/"&gt;NPR.org&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="date"&gt;February 16, 2007 · &lt;/span&gt; As if it weren't provocative enough to hold a debate on religion in America, panelists in a recent debate were tasked with answering the following: "Is America Too Damn Religious?" &lt;/p&gt;                         &lt;p&gt;The event was part of a series of Oxford-style debates called &lt;em&gt;Intelligence Squared U.S.&lt;/em&gt; Produced in New York City by &lt;a href="http://www.wnyc.org/" target="_BLANK"&gt;WNYC&lt;/a&gt;, it is based on the &lt;em&gt;Intelligence Squared&lt;/em&gt; program that began in London in 2002. Three experts argue in favor of the motion; three others argue against it. &lt;/p&gt;                         &lt;p&gt;In a vote before the debate, about 67 percent of the audience agreed with the motion. After hearing the debate, more than 70 percent agreed with the motion, roughly 24 percent were opposed and about 5 percent were undecided, concluding that America is in fact "too damn religious."&lt;/p&gt;                         &lt;p&gt;Highlights from the debate:&lt;/p&gt;                         &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;FOR THE MOTION&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;                     &lt;!-- end main center column / start bottom --&gt;                    &lt;!-- end story body/child story div --&gt; &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/barry_lynn200.jpg" alt="Barry Lynn" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;The Rev. Barry Lynn&lt;/strong&gt;, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, says: "What is a damned religion? Damned religion is a religion so weak-willed and unsure of its own capacity to persuade others to support it or live by its guidance that it seeks the blessing of government. That it seeks financial aid from government. And that it even tries to convert its theological beliefs into legislative fiats. This damned form of religion is a corruption both of faith and of constitutional democracy. And it makes a mockery of the best in our history...."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_lynn','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Hear an excerpt of Lynn's argument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;hr /&gt;      &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/susan_jacoby200.jpg" alt="Susan Jacoby" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;Susan Jacoby&lt;/strong&gt;, author of &lt;em&gt;Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism&lt;/em&gt;: "We must first talk about the retrograde form of religion that holds one-third of Americans in thrall. This is the proportion of Americans who say that they believe every word in the Bible is literally true. Not merely inspired by God but the literal handwriting of God. One out of three. What an astounding statistic.... Our opponents would have you believe that those of us who consider America too bloody religious are concerned mainly with legalistic issues involving the separation of church and state. In fact, our nation's excessive religiosity affects individual lives and public policy in ways that are often matters of life and death...."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_jacoby','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Hear an excerpt of Jacoby's argument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;hr /&gt;      &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo border" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/alan_wolfe200.jpg" alt="Alan Wolfe" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;Alan Wolfe&lt;/strong&gt;, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College: "If Americans were much more religious, there would have been much more protest against the revelations of torture at Abu Ghraib and other aspects of our foreign policy. For someone to be tortured and hung up like he was being crucifixed would be so unacceptable if Americans were more religious that there would have been massive protests. Not only against the tactics, the illegal torture tactics used by the Bush administration, but by the whole war in Iraq, which would have violated the social teachings of the single-most, largest Christian denomination in the United States, the Catholic Church...."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_wolfe','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Hear an excerpt of Wolfe's argument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;hr /&gt;      &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;AGAINST THE MOTION&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/jean_elshtain200.jpg" alt="Jean Elshtain" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;Jean Bethke Elshtain&lt;/strong&gt;, a professor of social and political ethics at the University of Chicago: "One should not, from any direction, separate America's citizens who accept a secular world from those, the religious, who alleged do not. Citizens of religious commitment are among the most enthusiastic supporters of a secular government. They don't want established religion, but they also understand that to support a secular government and state does not commit us to a thoroughly secularized society, shorn of religious voices, symbols, activities and commitments. We would be a greatly impoverished country were this to come to pass. So too damned religious? Nope. Just pretty damned American...."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_elshtain','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Hear an excerpt of Elshtain's argument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;hr /&gt;      &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/albert_raboteau200.jpg" alt="Albert Raboteau" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;Albert Raboteau&lt;/strong&gt;, who teaches religion at Princeton University: "The way in which I took the question — and this partly gets at the question of what is religion — was, what's the role of religion in terms of the American ethos, the spirit of the American people? As we all know, Jefferson changed Locke's notion of the inalienable rights from life, liberty and property, to life, liberty and the... pursuit of happiness. What I see as being part of the ethos of American culture and the American direction has been a reversal of that, those inalienable rights. That is, we are back to life, liberty and the pursuit of property. Property in terms of rampant consumerism, which is what I see as the real danger to American culture and spirit today...."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;ul class="iconlinks"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="javascript:getStaticMedia('/specials/20070214_specials_raboteau','RM,WM');" class="iconlink audio"&gt;Hear an excerpt of  Raboteau's argument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;    &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;hr /&gt;      &lt;div class="spacer"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketbottom"&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="dynamicbucket"&gt;  &lt;div class="buckettop"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="bucketcontent"&gt;   &lt;div class="photowrapper"&gt;    &lt;img class="photo" src="http://media.npr.org/news/specials/iq2/religion/william_galston200.jpg" alt="William Galston" /&gt;  &lt;div class="credit"&gt;Photo: Kevin Wick/Longview Photography&lt;/div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;p&gt;   &lt;strong&gt;William Galston&lt;/strong&gt;, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution: "Religious Americans are among our most engaged citizens today and their engagement strengthens our community.... Religious Americans, unlike what you have heard from our worthy opponents are not — repeat not — a threat to our liberties. An overwhelming majority of religious Americans practice what one eminent scholar has termed a quiet faith. It is private rather than public. Tolerant and inclusive, moderate rather than extreme and above all, non-judgmental."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-229418939807539705?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/229418939807539705/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=229418939807539705' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/229418939807539705'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/229418939807539705'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2007/03/this-is-debate-in-new-york-as-to.html' title=''/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-116547964857825922</id><published>2006-12-07T00:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-12T10:44:11.012-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Faith and Certainty</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;        Thus everything is assumed to be in order with regard to the Holy Scriptures--what then? has the person who did not believe come a single stop closer to faith? No, not a single step. &lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"&gt;Faith does not result from straightforward scholarly deliberation, nor does it come directly; on the contrary, in this objectivity one loses that infinite, personal, impassioned &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;interstedness&lt;/span&gt;, which is the condition of faith, the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;ubique&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;et&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;nusquam&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(204, 0, 0);"&gt;[everywhere and nowhere] in which faith can come into &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;existence&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;        Has the person who did believe gained anything with regard to the power and &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;strength&lt;/span&gt; of faith? No, not in the least; in this prolix knowledge, in this certainty that lurks at faith's door and craves for it, he is rather in such a precarious position that much effort, much fear and trembling will indeed be needed lest he fall into temptation and confuse &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;knowledge&lt;/span&gt; with faith. Where as up to now faith has had a beneficial taskmaster in uncertainty, it would have its worst enemy in this certainty. This is, if passion is taken away, faith no longer exists, and &lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;certainty&lt;/span&gt; and passion do not hitch up as a team.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)" class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;Soren&lt;/span&gt; Kierkegaard,&lt;br /&gt;                                 &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/34664573-116547964857825922?l=tommyball.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/feeds/116547964857825922/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34664573&amp;postID=116547964857825922' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/116547964857825922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/34664573/posts/default/116547964857825922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://tommyball.blogspot.com/2006/12/faith-and-certainty.html' title='Faith and Certainty'/><author><name>Tommy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06504107820443013883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='02153002038969576724'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34664573.post-115925292042240979</id><published>2006-09-25T23:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-09-26T00:09:07.570-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Regensburg, Islam, and the Church's response</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;This is from a Forum post I did at http://3dff.com/php/index.php?sid=1547ea0a104af78324e85d9b84540fc8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From now on if I want to post something on here from there or anywhere else I will most likely just link to it. But for now here you are with it in its entirty except for the intro for the forum specificly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I first and formost wish to discuss the popes address to the University of Regensburg. I looked all over for the transcript and interestingly enough I found it in english, on a Lebenese website. I have the website below, and the transcript itself in italics just incase they eventually take it down because I have found that links tend to die, and information desired can not be attained because of this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your Eminences, Your Magnificences, Your Excellencies, Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a moving experience for me to be back again in the university and to be able once again to give a lecture at this podium. I think back to those years when, after a pleasant period at the Freisinger Hochschule, I began teaching at the University of Bonn. That was in 1959, in the days of the old university made up of ordinary professors. The various chairs had neither assistants nor secretaries, but in recompense there was much direct contact with students and in particular among the professors themselves. We would meet before and after lessons in the rooms of the teaching staff. There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers, philologists and, naturally, between the two theological faculties. Once a semester there was a dies academicus, when professors from every faculty appeared before the students of the entire university, making possible a genuine experience of universitas - something that you too, Magnificent Rector, just mentioned - the experience, in other words, of the fact that despite our specializations which at times make it difficult to communicate with each other, we made up a whole, working in everything on the basis of a single rationality with its various aspects and sharing responsibility for the right use of reason - this reality became a lived experience. The university was also very proud of its two theological faculties. It was clear that, by inquiring about the reasonableness of faith, they too carried out a work which is necessarily part of the "whole" of the universitas scientiarum, even if not everyone could share the faith which theologians seek to correlate with reason as a whole. This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical scepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship between - as they were called - three "Laws" or "rules of life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an. It is not my intention to discuss this question in the present lecture; here I would like to discuss only one point - itself rather marginal to the dialogue as a whole - which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason", I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the seventh conversation (*4V8,&gt;4H - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (F×&lt;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First and formost the Pope's message was about Faith and Reason, and for the requirement of reason to be apart of faith. The quote that has had certain portions of the Islamic world in an uproar was taken from an EMPEROR in his discussion with a persian intillectual on that very subject. Not only that, but it was written down during a siege that the Emperor was withstanding on the city of Constantinople. Reasonably as a people that all share one religion try and take over and destroy your city are you going to have nice pretty words to describe them much less their faith's founder? I think not. That is just something to mull over in regards to Mr. Paleologus's situation and thoughts at the time of transcription. What the pope said has been taken out of context by those who reacted with violence just as much as those in the west that have agreed with the statement. Both are ignorant reactions and both should be conemend, and are condemend by reason. In fact his point is highlighted, and unfortunatley proved by both reactions. His point being that we as as society must,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;". . . [broaden] our concept of reason and its application. While we rejoice in the new possibilities open to humanity, we also see the dangers arising from these possibilities and we must ask ourselves how we can overcome them. We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If one goes back to the Sweedish cartoon that caused turmoil, we see the same reaction. I will not go on to speak of that, but I bring it up to show that this is a pattern, and will be unless what the Pope wants is attained and what Kester wrote in his blog quoted here &lt;a href="http://3dff.com/php/viewtopic.php?t=2848&amp;sid=14b6a76e1014107690d57ba7ba5fb749" target="_blank"&gt;http://3dff.com/php/viewtopic.php?t=2848&amp;amp;sid=14b6a76e1014107690d57ba7ba5fb749&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;that, ". . . more than ever that leadership needs to be round the table."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what has brought us to this point? How have we been brought to this terrible place? Is it really what some leaders have stated that they "hate" our freedoms, and everything that "democracy" stands for? Is it a clash of cultures or as some have also said another "crusade"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I think we are seeing is a backlash two hundred years in the making. That is, as the west rose to power in quite a dramatic and quick fashion the Middle East, and with that the Islamic people were left at a stand still a the hands of this progress. Then due to this Nationalism arose within Islamic countries. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and the partitioning of the Middle East after WWI, a sense of bitterness towards the west appeared, and the Arabs who were also Muslims felt they were not ruling themselves and this because of their nationalism is what they wanted. I am esscentially in this last paragraph summing up a few chapters from a book on the iddle east by Arthur Godlshmidt Jr. called &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;A Concise History of the Middle East&lt;/span&gt;. It is a good fairly easy read on Islam and the middle east from just before Mohammad, to the Gulf War I in Iraq. I advise anyone that wants a better idea of Islam in history to read this book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other part of this dissent in Islam I don' even think can be placed on the shoulders of the West, and it is more accuratley the west getting in the way. This dissent is best seen in Iraq today. Shia and Sunni muslims waring it out for Baghdad. The issue here I think is best explained by an Iranian-American named Reza Aslan in his book &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;No God but God the origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam&lt;/span&gt;.Here he makes the point that in his eyes Islam is going through a reformation of their own as Christianity did. This being between moderate Muslims and the more violent and hardline "extremist" Muslim factions. You can find his website here &lt;a href="http://www.rezaaslan.com/" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.rezaaslan.com/&lt;/a&gt; where there is info about him, and links to interviews with him including him on the Daily show with Jon Stewart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what do we do? Firstly it is evident that at least to a point Chrstianity and America are in some Middle Eastern minds synonymous. It is important to make it clear that an American does not a Christian make. Nor does a Christian an American make. Kierkegaard was it who reminded us that a nation can not be "Christian" because there are multitudes who proclaim a relgion that do not practice a faith. It was also John who said in his letter that God is love and if you do not love others you do not know God. Thus if Christians do not love others, they do not know God. It is evident that there are many people that go to local congregations and proclaim the "religion" of Christianity that do not in their actions, in who they are, proclaim their relationship with God. That is not new. Unfortunatley also, there are high profile men that merely proclaim the "religion" of Christianity, and state terrible things that I truely belive break God's heart. This unfortunatley is another part of what the outside wordl sees and even more equates those of the faith with the State, and the idea of hostility to Islam and its practitioners. I think the Pope is on the right track when speaks of wanting to create a dialogue between cultures and faiths. We need this dialogue. But more than that we need God to teach us how to be good and to love because our good is not God's good, and our love is not God's love. 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